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Post by kath on Jan 18, 2007 13:17:15 GMT
What have been people's experiences of working with the Goetia/demons?
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Post by baz on Jan 18, 2007 18:21:22 GMT
Years ago I was in a Working Group formed to 'do' the whole of the Goetia. After doing four or five we called off the working because it was all getting too rock and roll.
What we did learn was, demons can be used to heal, but they lack any subtlety, so you may get more than you bargained for.
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Post by kath on Jan 18, 2007 18:48:52 GMT
Yes nowadays there seems to be more of a movement towards people viewing the demons as 'friendly'. They say they are lovely really and their reputation is just how Christianity has portrayed them. This school of magick doesn't use the old circle triangle etc and command the demons, which they see as disrespectful and more prone to a nasty response, but approach them on friendly and respectful terms. One person actually described it as 'like visiting your grandmother!'  www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/Demons/index.html (see links section at the bottom) It goes against everything I've ever heard about the demons so I'm having to be deconditioned! Luckily unlike a lot of the young'uns around on the net I know how to banish ;D Also obviously to be careful what you ask for, in the light of your own experience Baz  |
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Post by baz on Jan 18, 2007 22:04:50 GMT
When we were working with the Goetia we found the 'demons' were oldskool. By that I mean, when we 'invented' our own evocation rite we found it far less effective than 'working by the book'. There is psychological effect of it 'looking like proper magick', but also the subjective outcomes were greater too.
I'm not sure that, 'demon bashing rites' is a pure Christian imposition, I say this because what we know of pre-Christian demonology from Sumaria also seems to have the Magickian dominating the 'demon' and using constraints .
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Post by kath on Jan 19, 2007 1:08:41 GMT
It depends what you mean by 'demon' though, people have used prayer and such methods towards the 'gods' for ages and got 'results' of some kind. What this lot are saying is that the demons are really gods or spirits who have been maligned by Christianity but are lovely really Sort of an inversion. If they were going to constrain anything it would be 'the other team'. I'm still open minded really, but I'm enjoying it:) |
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Post by baz on Jan 21, 2007 2:19:02 GMT
They also cause all sorts of car problems, ask Dave.
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Post by kath on Jan 21, 2007 2:52:24 GMT
Or that could be because he's too stoned to realise what the oil low warning light on his car means.  |
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Post by lonepine666a on Jan 28, 2007 1:07:43 GMT
The Demons are to be treated with respect you show them respect then they will respect you commanding or demanding a Demon will make him or her be unfrienly toward you Same with Satan you show rspect same with people you treat people with respect they will treat you with respect you attack people they will become hateful the christains are brainwashe by their god to give Satan and his Demons a bad name they do not know the proper way to contact Satan or Demons so they get scared and call Demons bad it is on how they are treated same with people and im just rambling on Yes nowadays there seems to be more of a movement towards people viewing the demons as 'friendly'. They say they are lovely really and their reputation is just how Christianity has portrayed them. This school of magick doesn't use the old circle triangle etc and command the demons, which they see as disrespectful and more prone to a nasty response, but approach them on friendly and respectful terms. One person actually described it as 'like visiting your grandmother!' www.angelfire.com/ny5/dvera/Demons/index.html (see links section at the bottom) It goes against everything I've ever heard about the demons so I'm having to be deconditioned! Luckily unlike a lot of the young'uns around on the net I know how to banish ;D Also obviously to be careful what you ask for, in the light of your own experience Baz |
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Post by baz on Jan 30, 2007 18:25:15 GMT
They say, 'A God forgotten is a demon born'. But do 'they' ever ask why such and such god was forgotten? Maybe because they stopped delivering the goods to their worshipers? So, if a demon is really a forgotten god, they need to do the stuff before the magickian needs to be 'polite' to them, because they had their chance and blow it.
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